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An idea[edit]

  • A Comment: This Category has 96,000 images and most (maybe 90%) still have images at the flickr source. Maybe the images in this Category could be tagged with {{PD-author-FlickrPDM}} & {{Flickrreview}} by your bot to reduce this amount and it would place those where the images were deleted on the flickrlink into a smaller images not found category. Then the PD-Mark images could be reviewed...if the flickrbot said they were licensed as pd-mark at upload as these 3 cases below.

These 3 images would then end up in the images not found category and can manually be passed perhaps by anyone since the bot said the license was pd-mark at upload and the uploader is certainly trustworthy. But if the bot said the deleted image was not found, I would not touch it.

Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

{{PD-author-FlickrPDM}} & {{Flickrreview}} causes the flickrbot to pass an image as in this case and this second case --Leoboudv (talk) 09:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think it would be worth working on that idea. The risk are files that are now own work. For example old photos. --MGA73 (talk) 17:59, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if there is any reason to ask Flickrreview bot to do a new review. If it allready confirmed the license it will just give the bot extra work. What needs to be done is for someone to judge if the photo looks like own work. If we think that it is it would be easier just to have my bot pass it like it did with files from khteWisconsin. --MGA73 (talk) 19:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps we could start by checking the bigger flickr user categories like Category:Photographs by Mathias Appel and then pass those if we think it is most likely own work. --MGA73 (talk) 19:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These 4-5 flickr account owners still license their images as PD-Mark and their images are certainly their own work. Your bot could just 'pass' their images on Commons below...if the bot said the imamge was pdmark. If not, why not ask your bot tag them with a new {{PD-author-FlickrPDM}} & {{Flickrreview}}

I may be away this weekend but these numbers from the 4-5 accounts above are manageable, I think for a new flickrreview on a {{PD-author-FlickrPDM}} license to have the bot actually pass their photos. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:57, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: Yes those accounts looked like own work so I fixed them. However, it seems that the number of files do not match 100%. I noticed this account Category:Photographs by Prefeitura de Pelotas. It also says "Arquivo de Fotos" so I wonder if it is own work or just a collection of photos. --MGA73 (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reason may be perhaps because I reviewed some images....and knew there were a lot more. "Arquivo de Fotos" translates as "Photo Archive". Why wouldn't the Prefecture de Pelotas have an archive of pictures. I thought it was if a different professional photographer was named that it was unsafe to review. Just my thoughts. Nothing more. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:57, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK. Their photos do name a photographer like 'Foto Rodrigo Chagas' etc. In this situation, we don't know if the photographer was paid by the prefecture so it may be unsafe to pass them indeed. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: Yeah. Anyway the files are reviewed by a bot so there is no rush working on them. :-) I noticed that there are other categories too. Like Category:Flickr images by miguel.discart needing human review. I wonder why bot did not review those. --MGA73 (talk) 21:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: The Discart images are clearly own work but the bot review says "size not found". I don't know why it says that if the image is not cropped...but it happens. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: I asked bot for a new review. That fixed most of them. But time to sleep here... See ya! --MGA73 (talk) 22:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2 accounts[edit]

Could your account pass any flickr images licensed as PDM from these 2 accounts:

I keep finding his images trapped in the 95,000 category like this File:Uncas Skipper, Hesperia uncas, female, Hart's Draw Road, 6900', Abajo Mountains, Utah. 28 June 2019, Robb Hannawacker 2 (49531477081).jpg & File:Uncas Skipper, Hesperia uncas, female, Hart's Draw Road, 6900', Abajo Mountains, Utah. 28 June 2019, Robb Hannawacker 5 (49531468741).jpg

This is the hard one:

Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: I actually thought I fixed the files by Gary. I worked on the files in Category:Photographs by Gary Lee Todd. But it seems there are some not in this category. --MGA73 (talk) 07:50, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: Probably people did not know about the Category:Photographs by Gary Lee Todd. Your bot already passed more than 2500+ images from Todd's account. I knew he had many quality images trapped in the 90,000 image PDM category. Unfortunately, I have to work on Sunday and Monday as I am an independent contractor in the private sector. But don't forget about *Robb Hannawacker: Flickr id: 39422575@N02 who also has some images in the 90,000 category. Goodnight from Metro Vancouver, Canada where it is 2:18 AM. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think both Category:Files from MTur Destinos Flickr stream and Category:Photographs by Robb Hannawacker are now fixed (in perhaps 30 minutes when bot finishes). --MGA73 (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Three suggestions: Perhaps 1. your bot could pass images from PMO Barbados Flickr id#: 141562286@N04 with about 1471 images which should be all PD-Mark

Sometimes people give the right license and the image is not passed and sometimes they give the wrong CC BY SA license and the image is also not passed. But the flickr license seems to be PD-Mark:

2. your bot could pass images from Ajuntament de les Franqueses del Vallès Flickr Id#: 122076518@N08 with 447 images on Commons if the license was still PDM.

3. your bot could pass images from Bernard Sporagg, NZ Flickr id#: 88123769@N02 who sometimes has the habit of deleting some of his images like the first one...if license is PDM. He has several images in the large 90,000 category.

Sleep well. I will be away. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:14, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Going the right way with Category:Flickr images needing human review (a few categories are now empty or gone). There is also Category:Flickr videos needing human review but there are fewer files there :-) --MGA73 (talk) 15:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for all your help. I have to work a lot this Monday in the real world but thanks again for dealing with the Bernard Spragg problem whose images are PD but then deletes his fungi photos sometimes. Kind Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:19, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

4 accounts[edit]

This Flickr account may be interesting for your bot to give a try. Today this person licenses her images as ARR but in the past and in her older images, the flickr license seems to be PDM still.

This second Flickr account also licenses its images as PDM and it has many in the now 80,000 image category:

I passed one image from this account below and did not get any message saying the account was blacklisted.

Thirdly, this flickr account also licenses its images as PDM and has about 600+ images in the 80,000 image category:

Finally, this account in the past licensed their images as PDM (today its ARR) but the images on Commons are still PDM

928 images on Commons if one types in arcticwarrior & flickr

Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 02:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will have a look later :-) --MGA73 (talk) 13:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: Artic Warrior seems to be a mix of old and new photos. Many of the photos are uploaded with the license {{PD-USGov-Military-Air Force}}. I noticed that some photos on Flickr are not US Military photos (example https://www.flickr.com/photos/avgeekjoe/51424345857) so if we pass the photos we should hope they got the license right :-) --MGA73 (talk) 16:24, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also this other flickr account owner below licensed all her images as PDM until October 7, 2023. Since that date, it has been ARR.
  • Maggie jones There are 1500 images and I have passed maybe 20 or 30 of her images already. It is better to have your bot pass her images, I think, if they were tagged as pd-mark by the flickrbot. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bot have reviewed and verified that all the files in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review were available on Flickr as PDM. The only thing left for humans to do is 1) to decide if the license tag should be changed to {{PD-author-FlickrPDM}} or let the existing license stay unchanged adn 2) if it is likely that the file really is PD or if the flickr user just uploaded the work of someone else. So far we have only fixed files where we think it is likely that the copyright is correct. Have you ever noticed files where you think the license tag is incorrect? --MGA73 (talk) 15:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding to Category:Files from Arctic Warrior Flickr stream now. Starting with those that have the {{PD-USGov-Military-Air Force}}. Then we can see what is left. --MGA73 (talk) 15:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: Bot was busy with something else. I found a messy code that made it hard for bot to work on the files. So I did some cleanup: Special:Diff/863962152. --MGA73 (talk) 20:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: I wonder if we should just pass everyone. The bot checked them so guess its a waste of time that humans also look at them :-) --MGA73 (talk) 09:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this is a reasonable idea so long as the source flickr account has no copyright violations. I have to sign off now But passing everything gives everything a new slate.

The exceptions may be images from a flickr account with PDM images where I filed this DR and these 3 images are also from this account but I forgot to file a DR. I had filed a separate DR that was not connected to PDM and it grew to more images that were tagged by other users.

New discussion[edit]

So, yes. Your bot should pass all the PDM tagged flickr images except 3 images from this flickrwashing account unless you know of anymore flickrwashing accounts. I have to go to bed know but most PDM images are basically own work. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 10:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with those are derivative works. Bot can't tell if something is a derivative work. It can only tell if the license on Flickr is good or not. And if some users are bad the bot can put them on the naughty list. The question is if there are any bad Flickr users in the category. If you have time it would be great if you could hunt for bad photos before the bot passes them. --MGA73 (talk) 11:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its like I said, when you go in this Category you can easily figure out which images are 'own work' and which are not safe to review. Most are safe to review except this obvious case....which was the uploader's only image here.

Good night. I have Have Good Friday mass today. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 12:17, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: I made a little test. If the file is licensed {{PDMark-owner}} the bot will not pass it Special:Diff/864127010 but if I change to {{PD-author-FlickrPDM}} the bot will pass Special:Diff/864127231.
If I do it like that the bot will check if the flickr user is black listed. --MGA73 (talk) 14:03, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: I have been testing a bit more. The files go to Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review and if they are passed they are removed again. So the first files in the category are some that could not be passed by Flickreview bot. --MGA73 (talk) 20:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: Yes they might need a human review. If you review some make sure you start from the top. The bot is still working on the files. --MGA73 (talk) 20:55, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: Yes my bot will remove the temporary template. If the file have the usual {{Flickrreview}} then the Flickr review bot have not checked it yet. --MGA73 (talk) 21:07, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: The bot allready reviewed them earlier so all we need to do is fix like this: Special:Diff/864203359. We just need to check if it is likely the Flickr user is/was the copyright holder of if it is a derivative work or for some other reason should not be passed. If there are many from one account the bot can fix. --MGA73 (talk) 21:29, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I have not listed it in the category because it is a sub category of Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review. Also there is no reason to have more reviewers look at the files right now while the bot is still working on them. --MGA73 (talk) 21:33, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: I will go to bed too. My bot will not remove the temporary review template while I sleep. But Flickrreview bot should finish all the files it can. --MGA73 (talk) 21:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: My bot have now asked for a flickr review for all files tagged with PD-licenses. My guess is that it will catch most of the old photos. I hope that there will only be a few files left in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review that does not look like own work after that. The Flickr review bot will need a few hours to work on he files (it is currently working on files starting with the letter P). --MGA73 (talk) 08:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: That is a good idea. My Catholic church mass was 3 hours long and I will be signing off soon as its 2:35 AM here now in Mero Vancouver, Canada. I filed a DR on these 3 photos: ****image
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Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:36, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: You're the best :-) --MGA73 (talk) 09:42, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: All done now. Good thing is that there are not that many files left in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review now that the Flickr review bot reviewed all the files it could. Sadly I can't think of a way to make the bot skip those that are possibly bad. --MGA73 (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all your efforts, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • As for Elusive Muse it is interesting; they claim their photos are PD and they are not on a blacklist as I passed one of their photos with no problems.

Regarding Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review some of the photos were marked as PDM at upload, so I typed in a pass but the images are still here since your bot will have to remove the extra review tag. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:20, 30 March 2024 (UTC) Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:20, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: Yes all the photos were marked PDM at the upload. The Flickr review bot confirmed that. The only thing left to do is to try to spot copyvios.
I will have a look at the accounts you mentioned above later. --MGA73 (talk) 06:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: I could easily just pass all the photos. But I think we should try to see if we can spot most of the bad files before we do that. There is no need to rush because the Flickr review bot allready confirmed the license. So its not like the other reviews where speed is important to avoid loss of files because they were not reviewed before the file was deleted or license was changed. --MGA73 (talk) 09:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Signing off[edit]

Dear Michael, I'm signing off and have Easter mass on Sunday. If you are interested, here are 2 'own work accounts.

  • Rob Mitchell He licensed his older 2015 and maybe 2016 photos as PDM.
  • Flickr id#: 46958463@N06

This account has a few images under PDM, like these 2 below and several more:

Goodnight, --Leoboudv (talk) 11:41, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Comment: This flickr account below also has legitimate PDM images.
  • Ministerio de la Produccion Flickr id#: ministeriodelaproduccion has 743 images Most images are not passed or people type in the wrong cc0 license.
  • Also this flickr account below:

Tyler Brenot Flickr id#: 152474924@N02 at 72 images Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please also do

Both are PDM licensed.

There are also ALL PDM licensed images from

There are many PDM images from

There are still some PDM images from

There are some PDM images from Bonnie Moreland BUT here Flickr id# is actually: icetsarina as you can see here at 186 images Some images she licensed as cc0 and were passed and others are PD-Mark and did not pass like those below...and more.


Finally, there are PDM images from

I think its harder to get find single flickr accounts with large amounts of legitimate images now. But at least you brought down the large PDM category from 95,000 images and that may be good enough. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:01, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Four accounts[edit]

Dear MGA73,

Here are three flickr accounts with some PDM images whose flickr id number does not match the flickr profile page.

They have a bit more images with a PDM license

There are some PDM images from Bonnie Moreland BUT her Flickr id# was once actually: icetsarina as you can see here at 186 images Some images she licensed as cc0 and were passed and others are PD-Mark and did not pass like those below...and more.


  • Here is a Regular PDM image account with the same flickr id name. The images are definitely own work.
  • David Steadman Flickr id#: davidgsteadman at 141 images

I ordered new reviews for one or two images from David Steadman...like the one below but there are many more images that have the wrong license tag.


Hi Leoboudv! I'm thinking if it was a good idea to add "Category:Files from <user id-number> Flickr stream" to all the files in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review. That would mean there would be a lot of red categories that could be found via Special:WantedCategories or by clicking a random file and see what category it is in.
It should be easy to see if all the files in the category looks like own work or not. If yes they can all be passed and if not they can all be failed.
It should be easy for the bot to pass all files in a category because it will only have to work on those specific files and not all the 20k files.
If there are only 1 file or 2 in the category it may be easier just to pass the file(s) manually. The category should either be removed or the <user id-number> should probably be changed to the name and the category should be created.
What do you think? (I will work on the links above before I decise).--MGA73 (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I decided to mark the files in Category:Files from tormentor4555 Flickr stream. I doubt the old photos are own work but it is possibly PD for other reasons. But now they are in a single category they are easier to spot if someone think they are not PD. --MGA73 (talk) 15:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just found out my bot skipped some files because some were licensed "PDM" instead of the usual "PDMark-owner" etc. --MGA73 (talk) 17:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: I agree that many images Category:Files from tormentor4555 Flickr stream are not own work. I tried to review one and got a bad authors mesage. But at least, it is easier to spot a few clear copy vios. As for your bot skipping some images because they were licensed as PDM, it would explain why some flickr account images were missed by your MGAbot.
  • Here are 9 Reliable flickr accounts with all PDM images:







Examples:

All their images are PDM licensed. Apart from this File:Iredell County Historical Society (51312982327).jpg newspaper image from 1971, the photos are almost certainly PD or are simple printed text that do not meet the threshold of copyright.


  • Lark Ascending Flickr id#: vwilliams at 309 images has virtually all PDM images on Commons. Today Lark's images are ARR but only since June 10, 2023 from my check of his flickr photostream. Before that date, it was all licensed as PDM...and he did not change the license of his images from PDM before June 10, 2023.


Example: File:PMO IMG 3622 (40547323203).jpg & File:PMO IMG 4927 (47460557772).jpg

Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Leoboudv! All marked. Or so I hope :-) --MGA73 (talk) 19:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A comment[edit]

Thank You Michael,

I think from now on that most of the images in the now smaller PDM category is still own work but it will not be easy to find many images from just one flickr account. Images from these 2 flickr accounts are most likely copy vios below. The first flickr account has only 11 images from the 1950s or 1960s.

As an aside, I did find one legitimate own work flickr account below with a bit more images:

@Leoboudv: Yeah it will most likely be smaller accounts now. My but is not adding a user category (like Category:Files from 121653663@N05 Flickr stream) to all the files. Once all files are tagged it will be very easy to see how many files there are from the same user. --MGA73 (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a second legitimate own work flickr account below with some images:

I had reviewed these 2 of her images below:

Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Here is a third legitimate own work flickr account below with some images:


I just did the first test run. All files from Category:Files from 49017692@N05 Flickr stream was passed and category changed to Category:Files from Eric Corriel Flickr stream. It seeems to work well (and fast compared to old way).

I will start working on the other categories when I have some time.

Perhaps you could scan for bad files and tag those? --MGA73 (talk) 06:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leoboudv yes it seems to go rather well now. Nice catch with the categories that allready existed under another name. There will probably be some where I will miss that and create duplicate categories. But its easy to fix with a category redirect.--MGA73 (talk) 12:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You[edit]

Dear Michael,

Thanks for marking the remaining Barry Marsh images.

Regarding Category:Files from 149271704@N02 Flickr stream this flickr account appear to be own work with camera metadata from three Samsung, Apple and Sony cameras by Ted Potters Since it is your country, you can decide if 2D graffito art is allowed in the second image below:

Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]



Fourthly, these 90 images in Category:Files from 192387570@N06 Flickr stream are own work by Anthony Shaw I passed so many images by this person who today licenses his images as ARR. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 23:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Finally, these 42 images from Category:Files from 196143283@N07 Flickr stream most likely own work from Uniao Brasil Rondonia Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Leoboudv! Ted Potters is Dutch not Danish :-) I think most of it is okay (FOP). --MGA73 (talk) 08:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: Oops! My mistake. I always thought you were Dutch until I carefully reread your wikicommons page. Well...as they say you learn a new thing every day! Kind Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 08:49, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He he Leoboudv! Yeah sometimes you gets a surprise. I learned using a bot by a Dutch user. Multichill :-) --MGA73 (talk) 09:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • FOUR Comments:





Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: It is nice that Special:WantedCategories is now updated. The most wanted category is Category:Files from 83211576@N03 Flickr stream with 632 files.
I will mark the categories you checked but I'm busy today so do not know how many I will do today. --MGA73 (talk) 09:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: I'm about to sign off soon...but just do it at your own pace. The category was originally 95,000+ images and you reduced it to just over 10,000+ images. If you reduce it to 500-1,000 images, it may be good enough. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Leoboudv: Still work to be done. But now below 8k. --MGA73 (talk) 16:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MGA73 (talk) 16:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5 accounts[edit]

These images in Category:Files from 36232856@N03 Flickr stream are Public Domain since they come from a US Embassy titled US Embassy Brasilia Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Secondly, images in Category:Files from 189067902@N03 Flickr stream appear to be own work from Shane Morigeau Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:18, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Thirdly, images in Category:Files from 47873224@N06 Flickr stream are PD since they come from US Embassy The Hague


Fourthly, images in Category:Files from 88133570@N00 Flickr stream are most likely own work since they were all taken by a Nikon D5100 camera by Marc Wathieu who today licenses his images as ARR.


Finally, images in Category:Files from 42541928@N03 Flickr stream are clearly own work from Sebrae-SP a Brazillian government department. Sebrae " is an autonomous Brazilian social service, an integral part of System S that aims to assist the development of micro and small businesses, stimulating entrepreneurship in the country" according to Google translate. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 23:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Column[edit]

Leoboudv it is not good that new files show up in the category. Uploader should get a notice. --MGA73 (talk) 15:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]



The 19 images in Category:Files from 127297238@N06 Flickr stream is most likely own work by San Leandro Privacy with its large number of Photo Albums



  • The 31 images in Category:Files from 123738801@N03 Flickr stream are almost certainly own work since they come from Ministerio de Cultura y Patrimonio del Ecuador whose flickr profile translates as "The Ministry of Culture and Heritage of Ecuador exercises the leadership of the National Culture System to strengthen National identity and Interculturality; protect and promote the diversity of cultural expressions; encourage free artistic creation and the production, dissemination, distribution and enjoyment of cultural goods and services; and safeguarding social memory and cultural heritage, guaranteeing the full exercise of cultural rights based on the decolonization of knowledge and power; and a new relationship between human beings and nature, contributing to the materialization of Good Living."


Finally, the 11 images in Category:Files from 42687493@N06 Flickr stream are PD since they come from the US Department of the Interior Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]



16 accounts[edit]

These PDM accounts are own work images.


I ordered a review on 1 of the images and the flickrbot passed the image: File:Oficina de Música IMG 20220526 161611 (53568428068).jpg


  • The 20+ images in Category:Files from 147565992@N07 Flickr stream credit a photographer named Joel Vargas in the camera metadata but belongs in the official flickr photostream of someone named Gabriel Souza with 73,000+ images. According to Portugese wikipedia, Gabriel Souza, as Google translate says "is a Brazilian veterinarian and politician, affiliated with the Brazilian Democratic Movement (MDB). He currently serves as vice-governor of Rio Grande do Sul" state of Brazil. So, he is a major politician.















The uploader, A1Cafel is also very trustworthy and there can be no question of any copy vio. Maybe this will reduce this PDM Category a bit lower. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: All categories passed. Except the last one (Category:Files from 141455566@N02 Flickr stream). There are only 2 files in that and you nominated one for deletion. What about the other? Do you think that is okay or did you just not notice that file?

Also im thinking of putting all the red categories in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review. Then they are easy to find. And they can be added to Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review - ok if they look okay or Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review - not ok if they are likely problematic. It should be easy to change category with HotCat once they are checked. (I did not create the 2 mentioned categories yet) --MGA73 (talk) 14:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have now created some categories. I hope it will make it easier to check. --MGA73 (talk) 15:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MGA73: : I will nominate the second image for deletion as a copyvio. Right now, my real work is very slow so I have a bit of time for Commons projects. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC) The second LTTE image I tagged as a copyvio was deleted. It was initially deleted and then recreated with the same title sadly.[reply]

  •  Comment: Observations on some PDM images that are likely own work.


This image even says 'public domain': File:MO Auditors - 34 Claire McCaskill (1999-2007) (53189869375).jpg








So, I ordered a new review on one of the 21 images here: File:Isla Minima.jpg and the flickr review bot passed it. They are likely own work.


  • These 16 images from Russia in Category:Files from 25554263@N04 Flickr stream are most likely own work. The uploader is quite OK and while the flickr source Andrey Korchagin has some 'model photos' on his profile--which were licensed correctly as ARR, his photostream flickr account shows normal Russian buildings. Unless there are sculptures which Commons cannot keep, this flickr account is likely own work

I did order a new review on a correct PDM license on File:Znamemsky Orthodox Church, Dubrovitsy, Moscow region (3020249348).jpg in this category and the flickrbot passed the image.










I ordered a new review of one of his images here: File:Lisbon (52910073581).jpg and the flickrbot passed it. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]









  • The images in Category:Files from 196214338@N03 Flickr stream can be divided into high and low resolution images. The high resolution images were all taken by a Canon EOS 7D Camera and the low resolution images have no camera metadata--perhaps they were scanned. But all images show scenes in Brazil. So, the images are quite consistent overall from the account of Imagens de Rondônia in the state of Rondônia, Brazil.


I had ordered a review for one of these images in March 2024 here: File:Kasper Asgreen (2022).jpg and the flickrbot passed the image.









The question marks are:

Four of the images say the author is "Bridget Nelson" and I don't know if she scanned an image by J. Dobbs. Dobbs today licenses his images as ARR. --Leoboudv (talk) 22:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I reviewed some of the categories (from top to Максим Барбухин). Will take some more tomorrow. --MGA73 (talk) 18:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: I passed those that were okay. But I parked the tricky ones in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review - not ok. --MGA73 (talk) 15:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Five acounts[edit]



  • The 15 images are fine to review in Category:Files from 185802208@N07 Flickr stream since the source flickr account WORT NEWS says "We have no staff photographer, but our news staff updates photographs here. Photos are free for use, with attribution" Today their images are ARR but not in the past.


Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:31, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great work! --MGA73 (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  • These images in Category:Files from 61981636@N06 Flickr stream are certainly own work by Mauro Rubem who (google translate says from his flickr profile) is a "Former State Deputy, dental surgeon, public health specialist and trade unionist. He is a member of the Workers' Party and president of the Central Única dos Trabalhadores de Goiás. He was a councilor in Goiânia, Brazil and elected state deputy three times." All his images were taken by a Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XSi camera and some images like the one below are watermarked with his own name:
  • File:Marcha das Vadias - 52º CONUNE (5952265443).jpg




  • These images in Category:Files from 192105714@N06 Flickr stream come from a now deleted flickr account named shashin micro 43 in Japan but this appears to be certainly legitimate work. Internet Wayback did archive this account so it existed. There are 2 cameras used, both Panasonic models and most were taken by a Panasonic DMC-G7 camera. It is most likely own work from the consistency of the photos. At least they are high resolution images.


  • The many images in Category:Files from 186544682@N04 Flickr stream are clearly own work by Justin J. Kiecker who says "I'm a writer in german language (still working on to improve my skills in English). Beside that I'm activist and amateur photographer. I like to share my pictures of events and protests on this account." His images are full of protests.




  • The images in Category:Files from 61591234@N05 Flickr stream were taken with either a HTC PC36100 or a Canon EX-Z750 camera by Dave Hass57 This person stopped uploading pictures to flickr after April 2018 but the photos are still licensed freely. The images are consistently of cars and are likely own work.



Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will have a look. If you click this link you can see who uploaded the files. It might be worth passing all uploads by the trusted users as you suggested earlier. --MGA73 (talk) 06:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: Here is another set of Category:Files from 158350039@N03 Flickr stream that is likely own work by K Bahr In the cosmic photos, he says he took them from his backyard. In his flickr profile, he implies that he suffered a stroke I think and cannot move far anymore. As for your suggestions about the uploader, this is a tricky question. Some uploaders such as Sentinel user have been banned or blocked for sockpuppetry or abusive comments but the images they uploaded are actually legitimate. Life is complicated. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 06:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]






The 50 images in Category:Files from 186395973@N06 Flickr stream are OK to review from the Architecture of Dublin I ordered a new review on File:Drumcondra House (2023).jpg and the flickrbot passed the image here: File:Drumcondra House (2023).jpg




PS: Most of the other images come from flickr accounts with 2, 3, 5 or 7 images. If you have time, please feel free to pass those which are clearly own work. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 10:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

re Yeah no more big accounts. I think when the categories in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review are fixed we should scan the category for copyvios and then ask the Flickrreview bot to do new reviews. Then the bot will either review or if the flickr user is bad it will mark them. --MGA73 (talk) 19:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment[edit]

Thanks for the link. There are now 4868 images in the category needing review...as long as Ooligan does not upload any new PDM images as cc0.







  • The images in Category:Files from 95929490@N06 Flickr stream are all PD today. They depict paintings by Perugino (16th century), Renoir who died in 1919, Umberton Boccioni who died in 1916, etc from the flickr account of Art Gallery ErgsArt - by ErgSap. The Sweat of the Brow doctrine or reproduction of works now in the public domain do not carry copyright (unless the work is totally original which is not the case here) in the USA, UK or EU. So, the images can all be passed by your bot.





Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:45, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]



New paragraph[edit]

Hello Leoboudv! I just had my bot put the new uploads in categories by flickr user. Once the categories in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review are checked I suggest that you scan for possibly bad files. If you find some you can either nominate them for deletion or put the categories in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review - not ok. If in doubt just park them in the "not okay"-category for later check. Once you think the most likely copyvios are nominated for deletion or parked in the "not ok"-category I can ask the Flickrreview bot to do a new review of all the files and have it skip the files in the "not ok"-category. --MGA73 (talk) 12:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the files in Category:Files from 50256734@N05 Flickr stream. I nominated some for deletion and passed a few other photos (see Category:Files from Mike Lidgley Flickr stream). --MGA73 (talk) 19:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also checked a few photos from Category:Files from 93850985@N02 Flickr stream and besides the files you noticed by "Bridget Nelson" I also noticed that some files like File:Bishops Herzog and Bena - Holy Trinity Syracuse.jpg says "Raymond's Photography". --MGA73 (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


























Yes sadly it takes time to review the smaller accounts. I think if there are less than 10 files in a category it might be just as fast to review manually.
I think that once the big categories are reviewed (and the most likely copyvios are marked for deletion) we should ask the Flickrreview bot to review the rest.
And it looks like a very nice area :-) --MGA73 (talk) 18:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Just 8 comments:



Thirdly, the many images in Category:Files from 51500028@N08 Flickr stream were taken by a Sony ILCE-6000 camera at the same time and likely by andrew.bedwin the flickr account owner. They should be passed.


Fourthly, these mostly low quality images in Category:Files from 126816719@N03 Flickr stream are likely own work by Jon Brinn who stopped uploading pictures to his flickr account in 2018. He takes color and black and white photos as this shows. I think they should be passed.


Fifthly, all these mostly low quality images in Category:Files from 68107928@N08 Flickr stream are own work by gareth patterson They were all taken by a Nikon D3100 camera and should be passed. This flickr user has taken black and white photos in his flickr photostream.


Sixthly, the images in Category:Files from 23408922@N07 Flickr stream are almost certainly own work by Pete who even says in his flickr profile: "Unless my photos are 'all rights reserved' (of which I've got very few) then I don't mind if you don't credit me when you use it, PROVIDING you either Flickrmail me or leave a comment to say where it is that it's been used." This implies that he is OK with the use of his freely licensed images and know copyright. Finally, I ordered a review on one of his images here: File:Blue Skies (29803486328).jpg and the flickrbot passed it. His images should be passed.


Seventh, the 9 images in Category:Files from 120757847@N06 Flickr stream must be own work and should be passed since they show the same high image quality and subject composition and were all taken by a Canon EOS 5D Mark II or III or Canon EOS R6 camera. The flickr account owner has now deleted the images but they were reviewed as PDM by the flickr review bot.





@Leoboudv: I created a few new categories so there are now 18 categories to check. So we can soon do a mass request to the bot to check the files. --MGA73 (talk) 14:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment[edit]










  •  Comment: Images in Category:Files from 55001154@N03 Flickr stream ARE PROBLEMATIC and I think, NOT OK. Many black and white military images are derivatives including this DR I filed where the image can be saved. Other cases are unclear like this or this image by Arjan Koning. Who owns the rights to the images from facebook or Arjan Koning? The flicks account owner is Pabo and it gives his email address but it does not match the Email given in this other photo where it says the author is at "contact: wdmreg@gmail.com" from the camera metadata. The Email addresses do not match at all. This Second Photo says who "wdmreg@gmail.com" is: W.F.de Mol in the camera metadata. This name does not sound like Pabo at all. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 00:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]







  • PS: I had filed a Deletion Request against one of the 3 images in Category:Files from 192723874@N06 Flickr stream but have withdrawn my nomination and think that the images can be passed based on the uploader's comments. The photographer is the brother of the flickr account owner in two of the images. Maybe one can assume some good faith and just pass them. But feel free to think twice about this case. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 08:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: Good work! I parked the (possibly) bad files in the not-okay category so my bot can skip them. I passed the files from Australia. The flickr review only confirm that the uploader at flickr marked them as PD. Not that the uploader was right. It should be easier for everyone to check now there is an actual copyright template. I also passed the last 3 files. Who ever closes the DR can decide. But if possible it is better with a permission to COM:VRTS.

Nice that there are only a few categories left to check. So we can soon ask Flick review bot to check a few hundred files to see how it works. --MGA73 (talk) 16:06, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  •  Comment: User Luiz79 uploaded about 300-350 images today as cc0 when it was PDM and it is too much for me to change it. Perhaps your bot can change the license, pass it and remove it from the PDM category please...as it did for his earliest uploads here. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  •  Comment: User Ooligan also continues to upload some images which as CC0 when they are in fact PDM.







  • Finally, the images in Category:Files from 156515782@N02 Flickr stream are a mix of derivative images and re-enactor actors in the photos. I don't know what to do with this category. After you decide what to do with this category, maybe you can ask your bot to do a mass review of the rest of the PDM images. A few of the PDM images were deleted at the source but most images are still on the flickrlink. Also, perhaps it would be best to put the NOT OK flickr image accounts on the blacklist. This is just a suggestion You would decide here. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 02:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


  • As an aside, thanks Michael for the barnstar award but I must tell you that life in Canada is very hard today. Housing and Food prices have skyrocketed due to inflation after the large government spending during the 2020-2021 covid era and we have retired teachers and nurses going to foodbanks just to survive because they are on fixed pensions. More and more people are going to foodbanks and there are many people living in homeless camps in Canada's parks. Rents and prices for condos, townhomes or single family homes have spriralled out of control. Canada is a great country to visit but not to live in due to high inflation and high government taxes. There is an article here which you can read here (in future) when you have time and it shows how tough Canada is today in 2023-2024: https://macleans.ca/longforms/food-banks-affordability-inflation-groceries People have jobs and they still cannot afford living here since rents take up to 50 to 60% of their income today. The rest of the people' income goes to food and people have little left for an investment or savings. Hopefully Denmark is in a better situation. I have more time for wikipedia right now because my real estate work is very slow and many people are struggling to buy any real estate. Unlike America, Canada does not have many rich people. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: Sorry to hear things are hard in Canada. Things goes rather well in Denmark so no worries here.

Yeah I noticed that new files are still uploaded so I left a message about using the correct license. I hope it will help when we both say it.

I reviewed the files now in Category:Files from Fotos Antigas RS Flickr stream. You wrote some of the files should be changed to PDM. Did you mean PD-old-something?

I will look at the other categories tomorrow. If you have time it would be great if you could look for possibly bad files and nominate them for deletion or if you are not sure just put them in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review - not ok. Then I can ask my bot to skip them and we can check them later. --MGA73 (talk) 20:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]







My ANALYSIS ON THE SITUATION:

  •  Comment: Images in the first 5 flickr account under 'F' in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review - not ok should be nominated for deletion if possible. Also certainly the first 5 flickr source accounts should also be added to a blacklist. As for the tormentor images, maybe let them be...most appear to be WWI or WWI era and presumably PD anyway. Personally, I suspect the other images in the PDM category are mostly legitimate...so it may be time to maybe order a new mass review or just pass the PDM images now. There are probably a few copyvios but less than 10 images out of 4000+ images. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 23:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]



PS: You asked about copyvios and there are 2 or 3 in Category:Files from 59170444@N05 Flickr stream: The black and white images are likely copyvios but the colour images are own work since they are consistently taken with a Samsung M-N960F camera.




The other images are colour photos and all own work, I believe, since they were all taken with a Samsung M-N960F camera. This is my last PDM copyvio check. This was an obvious catch from Txemari's flickr account.

@Leoboudv: Thank you! I tagged a few for a new review by the Flickrreview bot yesterday but I skipped some. They are now the first few files in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review. They are probably not own work but could be PD or Flickr user could have got the copyrights in some way.

I will start mass tagging files this weekend. If you spot any copyvios just nominate for deletion or add them to the "not okay-category" so we can check them later. --MGA73 (talk) 13:43, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I started Commons:Deletion_requests/File:NAR_Artist_Concept_(51049894377).jpg for the files in Category:Files from 188543350@N02 Flickr stream.
About Category:Files from 195676523@N06 Flickr stream I noticed that according to https://www.imdb.com/name/nm13538443/ Ronald Furet is one of the band members in Tiempo Zero. So it could be their official flickr account. --MGA73 (talk) 15:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New paragraph[edit]

Well I passed and moved to Category:Files from Ronald Furet Flickr stream. But I started this DR: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Berlin Wall (51231292181).jpg so we can get someone else to judge. --MGA73 (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]












  • These 6 images in Category:Files from 182901222@N05 Flickr stream are an interesting case. They were taken by Liberal PM Justin Trudeau's official photographer and apparently given to one of Trudeau's own MPs (or Member of Parliament). This person is Darren Fisher Liberal MP for Nova Scotia, Canada. I think they can be passed since Fisher is one of Trudeau's MPs. All the photos include Darren Fisher too.




Canon Ixus 500 (2005-†2007),

Panasonic Lumix TZ 3 (2007-†2011),

Panasonic Lumix TZ 10 (2011-†2012),

Panasonic Lumix TZ 30 (2012- still in use but not used much, dust inside the optics ; GPS included, which was very useful and not available any more in newer cameras...

Panasonic Lumix TZ 101 (2018- (†2020 : expensive replacement of camera optics, the zoom was dead...)-††2023, really dead)

Sony DSC-RX100M3 (2020-

Panasonic Lumix TZ200 (2023-

Reflex camera Canon EOS 400D (2008-. Lens Sigma 18/200 (2008-†2016) Canon 18/200 (2017-)

Cameraphones : Wiko (2014-15), Sony (2015-17), Samsung s7 (2017-†2022), Samsung s10e (2019- ), Samsung S21 FE (2022- )"





@Leoboudv: Hi! I passed the 87 files and started to mass tag files for a new review. I have added some photos to Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review - not ok to make the bot skip them. It will be interessting to see how many needs to be fixed manually. --MGA73 (talk) 17:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Comment: It is like I said Michael. There are just very few copyvios left. You might as well request your bot to do a mass review or mass pass of the rest of rest the images in the PDM category. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]




  •  Comment: Finally, I filed a DR on this image here File:BCER Interurban at Hastings and Main, 1951.jpg. It is in this category here: Category:Files from 45379817@N08 Flickr stream which is in the NOT OK list already. If you want, you can file a DR on the rest of these images due to the reason given in the flickr author's profile here: Rob "While some photographs are mine, the majority are images acquired from various sources on the Internet. I've made the effort over the last few years to collect these images of BC, mostly of postcards, for the purpose of

HISTORICAL INTEREST. I maintain them here and keep them PUBLIC for the enjoyment and learning of all who may be interested. I claim NO ownership or copyright to any of the acquired, historical images." I have no idea if old postcards are copyrightable. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 07:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: Good morning from Denmark! Files allready nominated for deletion will be skipped so they do not have to be added to the "not ok" category. I will ask bot to review some more files and hope that there are not too many that gets stuck in Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review - pending bot review. --MGA73 (talk) 07:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Flickr public domain images needing human review is now below 2k. I suggest to wait a few days before more files are bot reviewed so we have time to see if it looks okay. If it does I think we can do the rest too. --MGA73 (talk) 09:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Nava38.gif[edit]

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If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

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Krd 03:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blocks[edit]

AlCafel was blocked today. Are there any trustworthy uploaders left?? Yikes, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:15, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]



  • File:Jarrah Hussein Al-Silawi.jpg is a really suspicious image. Just read my DR on it carefully. 4 months after upload and the image is already gone from a flickr account with one image that has some watermarks on it.



So, they ended up in this Category . they are basically from Bernard Spraggs NZ flickr account. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


@Leoboudv: As I understand it A1Cafel did not upload copyvios etc. It was other problems that was the reason for the block. I will look at your finds a little later. :-) --MGA73 (talk) 13:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You allready cleaned up a lot of files so I asked my bot to work on a few hundred files more. --MGA73 (talk) 14:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment: I don't know but this image apparently has a legitimate OTRS (now VRTS?) ticket: File:Betsy Beutler.jpg

And yes. Ooligan uploaded a few more PDM images as CC0. I marked most but not all of them. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 02:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Leoboudv: The VRT beats the Flickr review so I just removed the template. While we work on the files my bot will change CC0 to PDM so no need to do it manually.
How does it look so far? Should I request a review for the last files or are there too many bad files among them? --MGA73 (talk) 05:40, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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